| Description | Bob Jackson and Mazie Butler, a nurse, talk to Dilip Hiro.
Track 1: Bob Jackson talks about the struggle for black people's liberation in America in the future and compares it to the Cold War. He says that black people in America have not risen up in conflict and have been patient and have tried to do things the white way and so he believes armed conflict has to come about, 2.27 mins
Track 2: Silence, 1.09 mins
Dilip Hiro talks to Mazie Butler, a hospital nurse.
Track 3: Mazie Butler talks about her early life and her parents, her marriage, living in Alexandria and Washington, having her children, starting work at the hospital. Her husband was in the services and she stayed at home with the children, 3.40 mins
Track 4: Dilip Hiro asks what life was like in Washington when she first moved there. She talks about children bullying a little boy and about segregation in Washington. She says she attends a Baptist Church which is not segregated, 2.59 mins
Track 5: She talks about changes in the way people deal with each other and says that white and black people who work in the hospital work together happily. She says that white people have begun to try to understand black people's experience, 4.17 mins
Track 6: Dilip Hiro asks whether her personal circumstances have improved and she says that doors have been opened in the last 20 years - there are better opportunities for young people. She says that the schools are better because they are integrated, 1.59 mins
Track 7: Dilip Hiro says that 95 per cent of children in schools are black. She says that when black people move into an area, all the white people move out - they agree that this is not integration. She talks about the various areas where she has lived, 4.24 mins
Track 8: She talks about the teenagers looting after Martin Luther King was killed - she says they did not care about Martin Luther King and this was an opportunity. She talks about the statement made by Robert Kennedy after Martin Luther King's shooting and says people should not kill 'good white people'. She talks about the police beating up an innocent man during the looting. She tells how she saw some white people in a car aiming a gun at a girl on a bus, 7.50 mins
Track 9: Dilip Hiro asks whether this shakes her confidence in America and in white people. She talks about looters. She says she believes that God will intervene, 4.19 mins
Total: 33.08 mins
Dubber's reference number: PLA KF571E0103880 |